Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length

 
Advanced search

5061 Posts in 490 Topics- by 184 Members - Latest Member: bushnell@telus.net

June 18, 2013, 05:23:46 PM
Cubicdissection.com ForumsMain ForumPuzzlemaker ForumShop Techniques, Tips and TricksWood movement calculator
Pages: [1]   Go Down
Print
Author Topic: Wood movement calculator  (Read 4014 times)
Eric Fuller
Benevolent Dictator
Member

Offline Offline

Posts: 641



View Profile
« on: January 26, 2008, 04:48:24 PM »

http://justwoodworking.com/software/wood_move.php

Also, here's an quick read that explains why tight puzzles loosen up over time:

Compression shrinkage is a technical term used by wood technologists to describe a condition in which the cylindrical cells of cellulose in wood are not allowed to expand when moisture is absorbed (i.e. they are locked in by other pieces of a puzzle), so they get compressed into oval shapes.

When the wood dries, the cells don?t resume their cylindrical shapes and that side shrinks a little.
Logged

Beware the lollipop of mediocrity...lick it once and you suck forever.
Robert Yarger
Member Artist
Member

Offline Offline

Posts: 1055


This is a test of the emergency broadcast system!!


View Profile
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2008, 07:27:06 PM »

Could this be avoided by making each puzzle piece out of two pieces of wood, glued together cross grained to each other.  Yeah, it would be time consuming, but it would also add a new decorative dimenion to puzzles. 

Also, I tried to avoid this at one time by soaking pieces in laquer for such a long time that the pieces became saturated and sank to the bottom.  It then took about 3 weeks for them to dry.  The thought here was that laquer absorbs through all pores in the wood, and the wood no longer is effected by humidity.  However, as far as I can tell, pieces I have done this to really are still not significantly immune to humidity.

Robert
Logged

Scott Peterson
Member Artist
Member

Offline Offline

Posts: 269



View Profile
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2008, 08:37:08 PM »

I have tried laminating too - I make tops for furniture out of 1/2" MDF with 1/4 solid wood laminated on top.  However, I don't worry much about movement there, just want to avoid having the corners pop open on a picture frame type border.

For puzzles, laminating would limit the movement, but it could warp instead of elongating primarily in one direction - since both layers of wood will expand and contract  - possibly in opposite primary directions.  This could be analogous to a bi-metallic strip...  Wood expands the most in the direction tangential to the growth rings, less in the direction radial to the center of the log, and less still in the longitudinal direction (with the grain).  When I was making hollow Pennyhedron puzzles, I used quartersawn lumber for the tiles - so the biggest change in dimension with changing moisture would happen in the thickness of the tiles.

By the way - I tried laminating tiles for Pennyhedron puzzles, using MDF and solid wood on the outside.  This produced awful results for some reason...  Never did figure that one out.

Restraining movement is a tough thing to do - I'm always surprised at the actual forces that can develop due to restraints to movement.  Still - Eric does have a point, the cell structure could be distorted in the process of restraining the movement.  The weakest link is the one that fails - either the glue joints or the wood structure.  It seems to me that a glue joint may be weaker than the cells, since the small scale and huge quantity of cells could add to a great force the glue may not sustain.

Interesting - there is an engineering lesson here too.  There is a difference between creep and stress relaxation, though the two seem similar.  Creep is continued movement over time under a constant load.  Stress relaxation is a loss in reacting force over time while the dimension of a test piece is kept constant.  The Romans used to take the wheels off their chariots when they were not used, to keep the wheels from becoming oval - due to creep.  I think the crushing of the wood cells is more like stress relaxation since the forces build up during "expansion" (even though little movement may result).  As the cells crush slightly, the resulting forces will be reduced.

My only question about the cells crushing is if water needs to leave the cells for this to happen - to maintain conservation of volume.
Logged
Mark McCallum
Member Artist
Member

Offline Offline

Posts: 159



View Profile
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2008, 11:37:46 AM »

He was just showing off. Cheesy
Logged
Scott Peterson
Member Artist
Member

Offline Offline

Posts: 269



View Profile
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2008, 12:11:28 PM »

Showing off?!?  I'm warming you guys up - I hope to explain the anisotropic nature of wood pretty soon!   Grin
Logged
Mark McCallum
Member Artist
Member

Offline Offline

Posts: 159



View Profile
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2008, 02:49:01 PM »

Please work in some partial differential equations, if possible.  I'll get my notebook ready.
Logged
Eric Fuller
Benevolent Dictator
Member

Offline Offline

Posts: 641



View Profile
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2008, 02:59:41 PM »

I'm not very smart, but my girlfriend is a chemist.  Don't make me unleash her (that sounded kinkier then I meant).
Logged

Beware the lollipop of mediocrity...lick it once and you suck forever.
Scott Peterson
Member Artist
Member

Offline Offline

Posts: 269



View Profile
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2008, 03:12:35 PM »

Partial differential equations and the theory of elasticity were a match made in heaven!  In a sick sort of way, I always liked that stuff... Cool

Another chemist!  My youngest brother is also a chemist - now he works for the EPA and makes beer in his spare time!  What a great combo, a gob'ment job and a still in the garage!   Grin
Logged
Robert Yarger
Member Artist
Member

Offline Offline

Posts: 1055


This is a test of the emergency broadcast system!!


View Profile
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2008, 10:36:51 PM »

Sorry guys,  Perhpas we should just get back on topic.


Robert 
« Last Edit: January 28, 2008, 08:31:05 AM by stickmanbox » Logged

Eric Fuller
Benevolent Dictator
Member

Offline Offline

Posts: 641



View Profile
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2008, 12:50:39 AM »

Robert, reading that made me throw up in my mouth a little bit.
Logged

Beware the lollipop of mediocrity...lick it once and you suck forever.
Pages: [1]   Go Up
Print
Jump to:  

Theme orange-lt created by panic